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They must have signed up for an old fashioned Santorum style rape pregnancy !

LMAO!! wow… stay classy republicans. 

My guess is that Liz Trotta could enlist and never be sexually assaulted.

Liz Trotta’s comments are pretty irritating to me–I’m a retired Army lieutenant colonel who served in the first Gulf War in an armored division, who’s married to a retired Army colonel–we served over 20 years on active duty together.

Trotta is wrong–Congress has raised this issue many times in committee, but the real issue is manpower levels–no one wants to bring back the draft, which is simply the only alternative to permitting men and women to serve together.

 Trotta rightly points out that placing men and women together in close spaces where there’s not much room for privacy or choice does increase the likehood of sexual tension, but smart commanders learn how to manage this so that incidents are reduced and malefactors of both sexes punished. It’s not easy/perfect/whatever, but it’s manageable–certainly was in the units I was in. And that “manageable” does require a bureacuracy to educate servicemembers and commanders on their responsibilites.

I shouldn’t have to point out the obvious irony that one of the guarantors of Trotta’s freedom to speak is a capable armed force that defends the country–and that about 20% of that capable force is female.

And there is the Republican perspective – they was asking for it. Just by being women. And they got a woman of sorts to say it. Nice to see the far right conservative’s inner meanness show up. Reminds people why extremists are always bad news. And Trotta is an extremist.

Men do not want to be blamed for the crime, they know full well they committed. So they say Women wanted it. If I was raped, I would not report it. I would take care of it myself. The raper has to be alone sooner or later. Then; Hes mine….. 

This foul and twisted freak is off the “chain”. How such utterances can come from a woman’s “mouth” is extraordinary and surreal. I can only pity the  wretched captives that must double as her family. The first thing that came to my mind was Mommy Dearest and the depraved way she treated another child and DAUGHTER. I’m off to power wash and sterilize my computron. Words are completely failing me.

Of course she was asking for it.  Did you see that formless, camouflage BDU she was wearing?

Oh come on people, when she said “They” she was referring to the Pentagon, not the women.   If anyone here listened to the clip and got that she said women deserved it, you are just plain dumb. 

LOL

By her logic, homosexual soldiers would rightly rape also. That doesn’t happen. Rape is not sexual. It’s an act of aggression and control. The men who assault their female compatriots would do the same no matter where they were, and probably have.

There will always be women in the service. There have been for decades. Remember nurses? The suggestion that any woman who serves deserves to be raped, too much, for serving her country is demented.

I remember Trotta as being a pioneering and respected journalist. I wonder what happened to her.

Sorry, but her assertion that the Pentagon should have expected it doesn’t fly. The Pentagon  and the soldiers should expect there to be NO sexual assault of anyone- men or women, happening in our military ranks. The people who enlist should be of a caliber that they have enough honor among them that none of them would engage in such behavior. It should not be a case that because they are in close proximity that you have to expect women will be raped. Perhaps the military should reconsider the kind of people they allow to enlist. I know they lowered their standards more than once and allowed men with criminal records to enlist due to our being involved in war on too many fronts and needing to relieve the pressure on the soldier’s. It came to be known that some of those who enlisted even had sexual assault records. That should have never been allowed. Perhaps those who lead the soldiers should express the rules a bit more firmly- even on a daily basis if necessary, but it should be expected that no one would be assaulted ever in our armed forces by fellow soldiers. 

Hopefully these women aren’t captured by the enemy because they will be raped by them.

I never stated that the Pentagon should or should not have expected this.  I smiply pointed out that Liz Trotta was refering to the Pentagon when she said “They”.  It is obvious to anybody with any sense that she was in no way indicating that the women either deserved it or should have expected it.

Well, it’s bound to happen as feminists (those who won’t be out there) are now pushing for women to be closer and closer to combat action. And more U.S. soldier-on-soldier assaults will occur, too (just like on naval ships).

I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, but are  you under the impression that much worse is not done to MEN when they are captured?

in the real world we call it a ‘zero tolerance’ policy.  The Pentagon has had trouble with this for years.  That being said it was a particularly stupid thing for Ms Trotta to say.  The ‘expectation’ should be that it WON’T happen.

Classy and republicans just doesn’t seem to match these days with the Tgag influence running wild.

That’s Fux News keeping the balance between fact and misinformation.  Too bad it is usually misinformation.

What an idiot. Is she being hired by defense attornies to claim that rape victims in America should expect to be raped?  Like Brian Kirkland said, it is an act of power, not sex. Now, When will Fox ask a rape victim if she should have expected it and deserved it? Of course they won’t, because they know it is a stupid question.

In light of the DC Media Matters story, I just find it funny that this story went from Media Matters, to Think Progress, to Huffington Post, to here. 

I agree with Liz.

Damn bureaucrats,man.First they came for my healthcare,then they came for my Churches(not really but hey..kinda),and now they come for my sexual assaults?WHAT?WHAT?Now that’s where I draw the line man…

Don’t these damn fascists understand that when you’re in close contact,you rape?Who are they to tell me how much rape is too much huh?That’s just outrageous Government incursion in my liberty.

BTW..Obama is a liar,cause I made the calculation,and we won’t be raping too much women in the military until 2067.Ha!

Take that,liberals.

trotta wrote the army’s new ad copy: 

“we rape more people before 8 o’clock than most people do all day”…

“when you absolutely, positively need the right amount of rape”…

Yes,because nothing ever gets linked from RMC or Drudge to hot air,to DC,etc…to Fox News.

You make quite a point.

Hehehe….

Precisely! There should be such a strong expectation from the get go that sexual assault or harassment is not tolerated under any circumstances and to commit such an act means the harshest of penalties. There can be no gray – only solid black and white of no tolerance. Thee are some things that should never happen and that type of crime is one of them. Acts against fellow soldiers of either sex should be so strongly verboten that those who commit such acts against fellow soldiers would be shunned by other soldiers as well as receiving their punishment. There can be no gray.

While I appreciate your point – insulting Ms. Trotta as not being “rapeable” is not funny nor is it true.  Rape is about power.  Anyone, young or old, male or female, fat or skinny, ugly or beautiful is fair game.  I’m sure you can find a better way to characterize Ms. Trotta’s insensitive remark.  How about “classless”?

“No one should ever have to “expect” it. This goes without saying. Or at least I thought it did. ”

“ And the sexual abuse report says that there has been, since 2006, a 64% increase in violent sexual assaults. Now, what did they expect? These people are in close contact, the whole airing of this issue has never been done by Congress, it’s strictly been a question of pressure from the feminist. ” 

Not sure if that is your interpretation, or just rewording the conclusion that was drawn at Think Progress, passed to Huff Po, and then here, but I completely disagree that she was saying the women should expect it. 

She was talking about the results of the study that they have gone up 64% – and that the issue has never been aired by Congress. The “what did they expect” was directed towards those conducting the study – in reaction to the percentage increase of incidence of rape. 

She is saying, it sounds like, that she is against women in combat, and because of the climate that men and women are in, rape is high. Sounds like that is one of the reasons she opposes women in combat – the study revealed the reason why – high incidence of rape, and the ”Total Defense Department spending on sexual assault prevention and related efforts now exceeds $113 million annually”. She believes, it seems, that men and women they can’t co-exist in a close climate like that… as revealed by the study. 

I am not saying I agree with her, but completely disagree with your conclusion she is saying it was the women that “should expect it”. She was referring to the results of the study.

Think Progress: Fox Pundit Says Women In The Military Should ‘Expect’ To Be Raped

Huff Po: Fox News’ Liz Trotta On Women Raped In Military: ‘What Did They Expect?

Jane Dough: Fox Pundit On Sexual Assault On Women In The Military: “What Did They Expect?”

MM: Fox’s Liz Trotta On Sexual Assault In Military: “What Did They Expect? These People Are In Close Contact”

Those are all distortions of what she said, but typical of a story that originates at MM and spreads through Liberal blogs.

Not saying they don’t, I just think it’s funny in light of the DC/MM story. And that you can track the MM story, and false interpretation/distortion of her remarks, from MM to here. 

False interpretation?
I watched with my own eyes and listened with my own ears.
No misinterpretation there.
The woman is off the rail.
See that little phrase besides my name?
I mean it.

Nice spin.

BS of course,but still…very nice spin.

it’s not spin, it’s what she was referring to. The spin happened at MM and didn’t stop till it got here. 

If you watch the video, there is no way you can come away with the idea that she is saying women should expect to be raped. Unless of course you were a partisan web site with the stated intent to bring down FOX news, or one of it’s good little soldiers.

Her comment was about the results of the study.

then you should practice what you mean.

No it wasn’t.You’re wasting my time with that BS.

I bet when Trotta said “well,both if we could” you were right there to defend her then too.She was “misinterpreted” then too huh…
The woman is a loon, deal with it.
There is quite a few people on the right that are not crazy…no need to waste your time and mine on her.

Move on.

HI BEN,

I support Sarah’s assessment as it is logical while yours is typically emotional and irrational.  

For instance:  In a military with no women, there will be no man on woman rape within the military. (agreed?)

If, we create a 10% women, 90% men military, logically, there will  be an increase in rape. (agreed?)

If, we increase that ratio to 20% women, logically, there will be an increase in rape. (agreed?)

If, we increase that ratio to 30% women, logically, there will be an increase in rape. (agreed?)

Have I made my point, as well as supported Sarah’s?  I can’t wait to see what convoluted nonsense you and your compatriots come up with for this syllogism of sorts?

Purveyor

Sup purveyor…been a while,how are ya?

You’re full of shit as usual,but always entertaining.

If you increase that ratio to 100%…you’re still making a stupid argument that actually made me laugh quite a lot,and has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

Nice..

Filipino Channel Conference?

My prescient wisdom remains intact… Thank you BEN.

Hey,as long as you’re happy…

They all take their direction from the White House.  Obama got in deep trouble when he tried to bridge the separation of Church and State and the lefties are trying to turn the opposition to his disrespect for the Constitution to a Women’s rights thing.

It’s pure spin and nothing more.  Obama has put out a call to the leftist and this is how they all march in lockstep.

It’s what they do sarainitaly.  It’s what they do.

A phenomenally repulsive interview. A phenomenally repulsive person. Even in these days, when almost nothing that appears on Fox shocks me, this does.

How about this, you ignorant harridan: All soldiers need to be protected from assault by their fellow soldiers if they are to be able to do their jobs. They can’t defend you if they’re busy defending themselves from their comrades. That should put it in an area where you might understand.

well, you know what, you’re wasting our time, with your BS. 

I didn’t say she wasn’t a loon. I said the conclusions reached in this post are wrong, and at HuffPo, MM and TP. She wasn’t saying women should expect to be raped. 

 
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Ok then,Sara.
I have complete and absolute faith in your mind reading skills to show me the real truth.
I’m sorry I upset you with my listening and understanding craziness.
What Liz said was perfectly reasonable and not sexist or completely insane,at all.My bad.
Thanks for the enlightenment.

Well stated.

Nah, She’ll just be raped in the dark like the others on their way to the restroom outhouses. She’ll be taught to be a p3nis whore in no time. That’s why vag!nas have no teeth. Right?

How does this disgusting, reactionary moron get on mainstream TV.  Oh yes of course it was Fox!

Is Amy Tennery on mainstream TV?  Quoting someone out of context takes little if any talent – believing it – well its small wonder you and Ms Tennery get your news at Comedy Central.

Is it just me or is there an distinct absence of noting the fact that rape is always male to female? Perhaps the increase is due to an increased awareness of what rape really is instead of it only being reported when the mythical rape standard is reached. When someone (male or female) says no, that NO. Doesn’t matter if it is full intercourse, as long as the act is sexual that is rape.

Since when is Fox mainstream? The reactionaries are loud and numerous but by no means mainstream irrespective of their TV ratings. ( BTW I’ve never been asked to rate any of the puerile crap on TV )

Well, Sarah, she said, and YOU quoted, “What did they expect? These people are in close contact…….” Which people? the Pentagon folks? Does sharing an office constitute close contact?

Sorry, Mender, when that person said they she was directly referring to women in the theatre of operations. If you don’t understand the english language, stop playing with it like a child playing with matches.

Wrong, sir. That was exactly what she was saying. It is obvious that anyone with any sense can see that.

Thank you Colonel. And thank you, and your wife, for your service to our country.

THERE IS A SICKNESS IN THE MINDS OF AMERICANS!!!!!purveyor1        Silly wabbit, what you didnt get was her saying you men are not to be trusted because at any given moment you will rape the hell out of the woman. There is a potential to be raped anywhere. Not Just on the battle lines. Buses, jogging in the park, pharmacies(which has very little space) your job, walmart, and so on.Men get raped by other men also. ”Logically, a woman real estate agent can be rape showing homes(agreed?)” This is true of an agent who was also killed in the house where she waited for the potential buyers in an upscale neighborhood. Women experience sexual assaults more often outside of the military than in.

The issues was about contraceptive which has various usage, not just prevent pregnancy.  The plan was revised without the catholic church in it.  It is now directed to the affiliations, employers, who must provide the same kind of insurance places like walmart has to. Its you right-dingies who 
keep  saying its about the church.The revision has nothing to do with the church. If I work for a catholic hospital, weather I’m catholic or not, the hospital would have to provide the same coverage as if I worked for a non catholic hospital. Its not about the hospital being catholic and them trying to push their beliefs on us. The hospital is seen as an employer all over and must provide the same coverage. 

98% of catholic use it any in 28 states.
And who the hell are you men that you can keep contraceptives from us? Who the hell are you men that you can have meetings without women, and dictate what we should do about our bodies. I may be wrong but I think I’m grown, well, that’s what my mom says any way, the only one who has the right to tell me what I can do with my body is God! My catholic

24/7, under fire, in an hostile, dangerous, isolating environment, no. 
And rapes aren’t up 64% in offices, as far as I know.  however, I think sexual harassment is pretty prevalent. 

CHAINS,

You condescending “tart,” allow me to retort. There isn’t much “I didn’t get,” however, I simply chose to comment on the main topic and the ongoing conversation between SARAH and BEN. (Note: ‘quid pr quo,’ “silly wabbit”/”tart”)

Now let’s talk about your preferred subject: Men and their brutish proclivities? What is your point, your conclusion regarding Men? You accurately point out that women live in a constant state of threat, which is an unfortunate reality. Furthermore, as far as I know, sexual violence is peculiar only too–’homo sapiens sapiens.’ (Wise indeed?)

Is there a solution you’d like to offer, one that has been on your mind for quite some time, but, you just haven’t had quite the right moment to…”bring it up?”

NOW is the time!

Purveyor

SARA,
 
Well done!

It is frustrating to be the one arguing on principle, while your opponent(s) argue the issue as they see it?

Further down I added a comment to “BEN” in support of your position.  Curiously, a day or so later, “BREAK THE CHAINS” addressed that comment by suggesting… well, if you like, you can read the comments yourself?  Ouch!

Your Friend, in Mississippi

The Government has no authority under the Constitution to mandate that a private company give away their products for free.

Go to planned parenthood if you want to abort your children or get contraception pills.

I don’t care where you work. You can do anything you want with your bodies get the pills and services on your own.

J$P: ‘Silly and Dishonest Fairy Tales’
http://johnnydollar.us/files/120219trotta.php

its not private companies, not Catholic organizations, but the insurance company who has to provide it.
the rate of abortions at planned parenthood is 3%.

I’ll try and make this really simple for you seeing that you couldn’t read and understand it the first time, OK?

The Government doesn’t have the right under the Constitution to demand that a company give away its products or services for FREE. It also doesn’t have the right to make a religious organization pay for contraception or abortion pills, seeing that they are the ones who pay for the insurance.

It’s simple enough for the simple minded to get a grasp upon, what’s your excuse?