Yeah that just made me think how miserable my home life would have been if my parents actually HAD gotten married. But whatever, Romney Knows Best.

If you can’t comprehend what he was talking about, why write a stupid article.
The breakdown of the family structure, especially in urban communities, is the cause of all the “gangs”. That is a fact. If kids don’t have a family structure, they find one and in urban communities, it is usually a gang.

“one of the few points last night where Obama and Romney found some
common ground, both agreeing that assault weapons have no place on the
streets”

Can we agree that sex has no place on the streets? I don’t see much happening on these mysterious “streets” other than driving that SHOULD be going on. Should doctors practice medicine “on the streets”? NO! Ban doctors. What’s with this hysteria? And what’s with this hysteria about guns – usually by those who know nothing about them. There are no “assault rifles” – it is a made-up category by know-nothing journalists who think everything is an AYYY-KAY 47 or a “glock” because they think it sounds cool to say.

“Certainly, Governor Romney’s recognition of the positive impact of
committed single parents is admirable, and I’d be willing to bet very
few people grow up dreaming of being single fathers or mothers. I can
appreciate the sentiment. ”

People don’t dream of being fat, either. But people with poor habits become that even when they hate it. What is so hard to understand the same thing happens in other areas of life?

“However. In a country where the most recent Bureau of Justice statistics have 636,770 women being abused by intimate partners per year”

Since the 90′s when gun control advocates made up figures like “10 children a day die by gunfire” I am very dubious of figures that don’t pass the smell test.

I don’t think it’s quite as simple as that, just like I don’t think that “get married” is a great solution for everyone across the board. What if your partner is abusive? Does that seem like the kind of home environment conducive to success?

I embedded a link to the stats in the post; feel free to check them out!

Well, of course not. Good Lord, does every statement have to be blanketed with “now I don’t mean in every instance, but . . . ” Of course he doesn’t mean that. But to ignore what is happening to families is putting heads in the sand. Watch one episode of Intervention and 9 times out of 10, the kid / parent starts their downward spiral after a divorce. It’s just a fact.

I have seen personally friends’ families go through divorce and watch the kids literally swirl down the drain. (NOT IN ALL INSTANCES, BUT 99%).

…I don’t see a huge distinction between “all instances” and “99% of instances.” You’re still not allowing for a ton of nuance there. The fact is, a child growing up in a family in which he’s not wanted and/or in which his parents should not be together is not being set up for a great life. To pretend otherwise is pretty irresponsible. I do agree with you that a stable family life is hugely beneficial to development; I think we just disagree on the particulars.

i SAID 99% OF MY FRIENDS.

You’re right, a broken family is a better family. Or better yet, just have kids with whoever the fluke you want and as many as you want. Who cares. The kids will get over it. Daddy Who?

I agree with Sarah Devlin…

Someone punch me in the face,now.

You know, keeping fluke in the headlines is GOOD for Obama.

I guess that’s another thing we’ll have to disagree on; I don’t believe that single parent or divorced families are by nature “broken.”

And, I would add, neither does Mitt!

Glad we could find some common ground, Benny! :)

Hey she’s a sharp cookie!

Meaning figures that don’t immediately confirm your previously held belief.

If more Women would learn to simmer down when told , just like Candy did when Mitt set her straight last evening we wouldn’t have all this domestic violence.
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
Sarah Palin Sec of State !

Since my sister was murdered by her conservative white republican husband when she made it clear she was leaving him I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT GETTING MARRIED IS NOT DECREASING VIOLENCE and it is the stupidest conservative thing to claim that marriage decreases violence in our society.

It is time for republicans to MAN UP and reauthorize the VAWA and drop the partisan misogynist games they are playing with this issue.

Speaking of domestic violence, did you see how Candy Crowley b*tch-slapped Noah Rothman?

“literally swirl down the drain.”

All of LMC’s potential kids literally swirl down the drain after he spends 10 seconds with a photo of Michele Bachmann.

Literally.

:)

Here we go :)
Are we talking about legitimite domestic violence ? Like my ol lady forced me to swell both her eyes shut for not simmering down when told ?
she was asken fo it , you know
ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

Sorry to hear bout your sister.

Everybody loves a cookie.

He has appealed to the BAD DEAL governor of Georgia to pardon him and has tried to get his conviction (35 years for malice murder and the 10 year add on for using a gun in his crime) reversed on the grounds that the judge did not instruct the JURY to consider INSANITY as a defense for his actions, all of the experts, his and the States, found him to be competent for trial and in complete control of his faculties at the time he shot her TWICE and that he committed the murder with “intent” and pre-planned his potential defenses BEFORE the murder.. He has also sued to have himself transferred to a PRISON HOSPITAL facility to serve his time asserting that is where he will end up by the end of his sentence. He has also tried to sue ME for taking all of his guns and having them destroyed, the police only took the murder weapon, I wanted to make sure NONE OF THOSE GUNS were ever used for a crime.

I hope the sob dies in jail,bro.Good job with the guns.

That is a horrible, horrible story. I’m so sorry that happened to you, your sister and your family.

It’s hard to find any disagreement there.

Thanks to one and all for your expressions of sympathy, Like many people that have had this kind of thing happen I KNOW it never really goes away and I am not a religiously inclined person so I never will forgive or forget and intend to be there for EVERY issue/proceeding concerning this.

lol…yep.

Well, there is some truth there – if kids don’t have a family structure, they find one.

Pretty sure that this is what happened with my brother. Dad died when I was only 7, and I’m the oldest. There was some SS money, but mom still had to work 2 jobs, as there were 4 kids. That meant she wasn’t around much, and the care and feeding of the kids fell to the kids. It wasn’t mom’s fault that dad died, and it wasn’t her fault that she had to work two jobs – it was the early 70′s – they just didn’t pay women much then – far less than the 73% of a man’s pay that she could earn now. Anyhow… my brother decided that he couldn’t deal with all the work that was required of us – laundry, cooking, lawn mowing, helping the littler ones with homework… he just checked out around the time he was 12. Starting stealing, hanging out with a rough crowd – his new family structure. Of course, he eventually found his way to the jailhouse. Still – 40 years later – still breaks my heart.

The irony ? He is the Romney voter – well, if it wasn’t for that felony, anyway.

Wow
Sorry to hear about your Sister .
Great job being a great Brother when sh eneeded a voice most .

Maybe if you and your sister had been reared properly in a proper Christian household instead of getting involved with losers, nothing would have happened.

Fathers take care of their daughters to assure they’re not marrying bums. Where was your Dad to vet the guy? And when was the last time the couple had gone to church before he killed her? And WHY was she leaving him, anyway?

You must be a monday morning quarterback because no one can forsee the future in its entirety. You do your homework and make critical decisions but you can end up with just about anything. No one can protect someone ever completely- not Dad and not even the church.

The real issue is that there isn’t a coorelation between getting married and violence either escalating or decreasing. The commentator was right-Romney missed the point. Exposure to violence, cultural influences, and the mores of society contribute to the increase or decrease of violence.

Jesus Camp – oh my.

That explains the KKK I guess. That’s a gang and base for the Taliban Republicans.

Speaking of church , since you brought it up . little baby jesus mom was both unmarried ,without a father and knocked up at 12 .
Did you have a point ?

Speaking of a break down in the family structure
How about that Cain who killed able .
Eve cannot follow directions
The very first christian family = murder , incest and no ability to follow the rules
How about them apples the first chrsitian FAMILY WAS A GANG

The KKK were formed to protect people from violence such as this:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-10-09/news/34346963_1_teen-decks-pittsburgh-high-school

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3recwNQ8H0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmqUlXQCAz8

agree with you LMC.

The “rich” White woman seeking entitlements?

sarah, this is too serious an issue. plz report ALL sides

http://www.fatherhood.org/media/consequences-of-father-absence-statistics

Pretty obvious that was what was missing here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRxfTyNa24A

But let’s all instead parrot the Cultural Marxist lie that nothing matters and everything is permitted….

Romney sounded lie a fool..period

your stats aren’t surprising – it’s the purpose of Intervention to show this result – much better to looks at stats from a relatively objective source. Did you know that most child abusers were abused themselves by their parents? And did you further know the stats show that most of these children were from two parent families where one parent (usually but not always the mother) consistently denied the abuse? When that parent accepts what is happening, the result is divorce – which gets the child away from abuse, their grades, self-esteem, and safety increase, and they are more likely to become more successful parents themselves.

And Adam was a wimp who couldn’t think for himself but blamed it on his wife!

The issue with romneys logic is that he confuses causality with correlation. Getting married doesn’t make you any better off and I would love to see proof otherwise. Instead what you are seeing in these statistics is that people who have their lives together normally but not always end up getting married. In otherwords they were already on track before they were married. Marriage correlates with lower poverty rates but it in no way causes lower poverty rights. I have always said the difference between a religious fundy conservative and everybody else is that the fundy is incapable of thinking more than one layer deep. They understand that things happen but they don’t ask why. This is evidence of that. Nobody wants to be a single parent and I have never heard a mother tell their child its a good idea to have kids b4 being married so what do you think romney is really talking about?more anti gay anti poor bs from this magic underpants swiss bank liar.

The person who wrote this article is dumber than a rock.

You’re a sick horrible person.

Weren’t the Columbine and Aurora Shooters from 2 parent families? And at least middle income?

Columbine- Aurora- 2 parent families. Middle class

Columbine- shooters from 2 parent families. Aurora- shooters from 2 parent families.

Good on ya

Columbine- suburban kids, middle class, 2 parents. Aurora, 2 parents, middle class, 2 parents. Stop blaming “urban” for everything (if you mean minorities then man up and say it)
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Seriously Sarah, I agree. The divorce can’t be the whole problem, what about all the years that the unhappy couple was together, making the kids unhappy? Grr, these people with their snap solutions.

Why does everything have to be such an extreme? Just cuz your way works for you don’t force it on everyone else. In America we have personal freedom and personal responsibility- if you don’t like it why don’t you move to Saudi Arabia where they control everyone’s morals and behavior?

Always wanted to say that to a conservative. ;)

And quickly became a group of men who couldn’t take responsibility for their own failures and shortcomings and began to torture, kill and abuse Black Men, Catholics, Jews, and everyone else that couldn’t defend themselves. Just like now with Romney. Poor trash blaming the Black guy instead of the Billionaire who sent jobs to China. Yep, same pattern.

Oh right, and let’s not forget, white men who had raped so many black women that they assumed the black men would do the same in revenge as soon as they were freed. Go ahead, keep giving yourself away.

Stupid. It is like saying speeding is dangerous and then you list someone who dies in a freak accident that was slower in an attempt to disprove it.

“And quickly became a group of men who couldn’t take responsibility for their own failures….”

Where exactly do you get this?

Doesn’t that describe the NAACP and the ADL, though?

Go ahead, keep giving yourself away.

I doubt very much that many, if any, Black women were raped. It is practically non-existant today. However, not so the reverse. Statististics disprove what you say as does common sense. It would be like a farmer raping animals which is what they were seen as.

…say no more about No-Good Deal…I recently relocated out of Georgia back to Ohio….sorry for your loss.

Good catch.

This has to be one of the most vile comments I have ever read on Mediaite and that is saying something. You are no Christian. You are a monster.

Look, frainbuck, our society has become a cesspool of “tolerance” of damn near everything. MORE THAN HALF of all marriages end in divorce and a staggering percentage of children are reared in what are politely called “single-parent households” (i.e, unmarried women).

Wake up. It ain’t working. And this notion that you leave a marriage to “find yourself” or to chase down a boyfriend (as I suspect happened here) is a disgrace.

Think about it: is American society so much better off since the age of “The Pill” and the sexual revolution and divorce at the drop of a hat?

Pardon me for not falling down into the pity pool because this guy’s sister was killed. But these things don’t just “happen”; there’s more to it than he let on. And had the marriage not been on-the-rocks (never a surprise in our “anything goes” society, the tragedy would have been averted.

You really do not know what your talking about.
1) I am a veteran and have multiple degrees and own my business.
2) My sister graduated from UGA in 88 and she was killed when she was 38
3)Our parents are RETIRED and live 100s of miles away on the Georgia coast
4) My parents raised FIVE kids and only TWO of us went to college and only I served in Uniform, only my sister and I were registered Democrats and our three brothers who blew off college are republicans and as racist as hell and they have been in jail multiple times and are crack addicts.
5) She married a Conservative evangelical republican who had our fathers approval ’cause he was a white republican.
6) He screwed up his business and was an alcoholic and he kept losing jobs because of his mouth,drinking and his politics.
7) My sister managed a large medical practice and made 6 Figures.
8) She owned her HOME and bought it before she got married.
9) WHAT THE HELL DOES GOING TO CHURCH HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? He went and he killed her so what does that tell you about the situation?
10) She was leaving his ass because she had had it with him and his mouth.
11) He wanted her to GIVE HIM her house and to pay off his TAXES, TRUCK and DEBT before she left – she told him to shove it.
12) While she was packing up the house that last week of her life he made his plans to kill her (proven in court)
13) He went into her room while she was sleeping and SHOT HER IN THE THROAT
14) She tried to get help for herself and he then stuck the gun against her chest and fired again nicking her heart and she took 40 min.s to DIE while he blocked her at first and then when she collapsed he went and got himself a beer and watched her DIE he then had two more beers.
15) He went across the street at 1 AM and woke up a 66 year old woman and told her to “….call the police to get that bitch out of my house so I can sleep in my bed ”
16) He told the police she deserved it for trying to leave him.
17) He used his phone call to call my parents and he told them he was going to beat this and that they should not get involved, The police did not know what he was doing when he made this call and they were at that time trying to get someone in GLYNN County to go and notify my Parents of my sisters death. MY PARENTS WERE FREAKED OUT.
18) He tried to claim she attacked him in the guest bedroom and that he had to defend himself from her and that she crawled into her room to frame him.
19) While in the interview room IN FULL VIEW OF THE CAMERA he bashed his head against the wall to create injuries that he later tried to claim came from her.
20) He told the police at one point that he was tired of women who lied to him and divorced him revealing the fact that he had been married before (A FACT HE CONCEALED FROM HER and everyone else) and that he had TWO kids down in Florida he was ducking child support on.
21) He told police in the interview that he because he was drunk when he was arrested he was going to get off a murder charge and spend a few months in a mental health facility.
22) YOU ARE CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE SCUM.

You are so lucky that I can not find you.

The murder did not JUST HAPPEN he planned it and you have no concept of reality or the truth.

Let me help you with something: As our society was electing MORE conservatives EVERYTHING GOT WORSE, schools got worse after republicans decided to politicize education, communities got worse, local and state governments got worse and suffered financial problems because republicans cut the income needed to pay the bills, infrastructure is deteriorating because conservatives cut the income necessary to maintain it properly, in fact every problem we have today in this country is because of the Cult like nature of conservatism and the inability of conservatives to fund or operate a government properly. You do not pay your operating expenses, meet your long term obligations or pay past debt by cutting your income, why is it that conservatives do not understand this simple thing?

You will die a sad death all alone in the end because you’re that hate filled and bitter that you have sold yourself to an ideology that is corrupt and morally bankrupt.

Is that some kind of THREAT, LibTard? BRING IT ON, DOUCHEBAG!!!!

Look: your brother-in-law was a DRUNK who was divorced with a couple of kids and YOU didn’t even know about it.

Real good job vetting him, dirtbag. Four siblings and two parents and NONE of you caught on to trouble????

I’m sorry your sister died. I’m more sorry that her “family” wasn’t there to look out for her interest. Like they say, “Love is blind” It takes clear-headed, clear-eyed realists to vet these people who would come into your life as the most important person in your life.

You didin’t do that, obviously. Hopefully, you’ll do better by your own kids.

No, the link only goes to their search page. Why not link the actual data along methodology and definitions. What does “being abused” mean?

A proper Christian would not withhold sympathy, nor criticize another’s suffering by taking a righteous position. What does blaming the victim accomplish? You accuse those involved so that they feel badly and mostly likely shut down to your message of faith, so there’s very small chance they listen and think about becoming a Christian. Or if they do, they seek faith out of guilt, when it should be something sought out of love, curiosity, and thought.

Other people reading your words who don’t agree with them will think you are cold and making light of something terrible. So the people you should actually be seeking to talk to, won’t listen and get a bad impression of faith.

Remember how Jesus conducted himself. Did he claim that beggars, prostitutes, and the hopeless deserved what they got because maybe if they’d been faithful before this wouldn’t have happened? No. He accepted all with open arms and never attempted to make them feel guilty or ashamed. Did he also ignore and excuse the harmful actions of others towards those people? No. He spoke against those who harm others, regardless of the state of those being harmed.

Further, in our society and throughout history, many horrible crimes have been committed by alleged Christians.

If you’re mentioning Christianity because you want others to realize its merit, then the best thing to do is be a caring, supportive person who speaks out against injustice during someone’s time of need. The act is already done. Condemning those hurt by it won’t help anyone. Ignoring those who are the true aggressors won’t help anyone. Use Jesus as a role model.

My deepest condolences to you. That is horrible and I can only wish you strength in overcoming it.

While I don’t disagree necessarily that a strong marriage is a wonderful thing, I do agree that many politicians when speaking of marriage simply point to it as a panacea instead of discussing how to attain healthy marriages and how to spot and avoid unhealthy ones. Or why and when you should want to get married. Further, there is very little talk about how to extricate yourself from a bad marriage or other domestic situation, and too many people are in those bad scenarios and don’t have the help or legal support to get away successfully.

I also recently have been questioning the institution of marriage and have been and will continue to study its history.

In any event, I wish you luck in nailing the scum who did that. But I also wish you healing and hope that you don’t allow his horrible actions to consume your life.

He got 45 years total and i will be there every time he tries to reduce that sentence or get favorable (a soft place to serve his sentence) treatment.

Republicans have let Cult Conservatives run rampant on the issues of women and families and marriage. Your right in that in way too many legal jurisdictions WOMEN and some men find getting out of a BAD SITUATION an insurmountable burden and getting authorities involved nearly impossible. My wife and I have helped dozens of people out of pocket with their problems ending relationships that are not healthy OR safe and have gone so far as to bring some of them in need into our home (one for a year and half) while they deal with their problem and get on the path to independence and a new life, conservatives claim they do things like this but here in RED STATE Georgia it is something that is more lip service than reality.

If you go to the page that I linked to and click “Quick Tables,” you can see the stats grouped in a number of different ways, including “by victim-offender relationship and sex,” which is where the numbers I cite come from. And their parameters for “violent victimization,” taken from their “Definitions” page: “Rape, sexual assault, personal robbery, or assault. This category includes both attempted and completed crimes. It does not include purse snatching or pocket picking. Murder is not measured by the NCVS because of an inability to question the victim.” So these are women who are abused but not killed by their partners; I imagine if you added murder stats the number would creep up even higher.

Since almost all the world’s religions are patriarchial–women have not found much support from the clergy or the men they indoctrinate. How do you know that she wasn’t brought up in a good Christian home? Do you think only atheist women get beaten up? W/ your attitude, you should never sit on a jury re Domestic Violence.

Your address much be in “La La Land.” You sound like someone who blames the victim, or is this situation just too familiar for you?

Your messages sound like personal stories because you sound like a very bitter person. Someone has probably rejected you, and you want to flame “society, BC pills, Get some therapy…quick!

Please pray for yourself first; you are the one who needs help.

Perfect wording…thinking one layer deep. That is my family and Republican friends. Especially when it comes to politics. If you try to discuss the big picture their faces go blank. Like contraception education preventing unwanted pregnancy which is the difference of theirs daughters being on welfare to “teach them a lesson” but in general welfare mothers are loser no good sluts and they don’t want their tax money blah blah blah….wah???? It’s like a snake eating eats tail.

I could tell from what her brother wrote: brothers in and out of jail and parents who basically abandoned their brood (as adults) to enjoy their “retirement”. Families stay together.

Sorry to disappoint the arm-chair psychology you radical secularists so much prefer. Married, happily, for nearly four decades. Getting ready for empty nest in another year why the youngest of our seven goes to college.. And I’ve had therapy; thanks. It was very helpful in helping regain full use of my shoulder after a sailing accident.

Raised in a “Jerry Springer” culture where rap-music and “goth”/”vampire” and homosexal “lifestyles” are foisted on children a “normal alternatives” and inflicted on the rest of us by a fascistic enforcement of “tolerance”.

The very FIRST day one of my sons or daughters ever showed up for school dressed in black and wearing black lipstick and black finger polish (as the Columbine shooters were reported to dress for school), I’d have kicked their ass and told them to stay up in their rooms until they decided to dress like humans.

Their parents — likely cowed by a culture of fascistic “tolerance”– probably viewed the behavior as “self-expression” and did nothing about it and then the kids devolved from there.

So much of what is wrong with society today is wrong with parents who bought into the “Me” generation “Looking Out for Number One” “personal fulfillment” selfishness. It has to stop.

Perfect! Well said!