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umm – i don’t know what to say

Just laugh…and remind yourself which political party supports this movement..

well, it’s got to be…. ummmm… the Democrats. Naturally.

99%ers Wear Fox Furs !!  Go Get ‘Em PETA !!

Bless their hearts. They are young and spontaneous. This creep looks like he could spontaneously combust.

So much for all the hopeful rhetoric on OWS in the beginning. Pans out to be just like we thought: they’re a bunch of young thugs who are down for ANY protest, plus a bunch of 60′s/70′s PeaceNik leftovers.

“I don’t have heat or water but when I have the money to do so, I buy ridiculously overpriced clothes.”

That’s obviously the 1%’s fault.

It’s a shame this action wasn’t more organized. I’m a filmmaker and an Occupy LA activist. I’ve worked on fashion shoots in LA and Europe occasionally to pay the rent and I can assure you that these people need to be protested against. Fashion is the most vacuous, conceited industry in the world, full of incredibly obnoxious self-absorbed people who care about nothing except themselves, the way they look and how much they’re being paid (which is astronomical). When you remind them that their high-priced garments and shoes are predominantly made in third world sweatshops – often by children working 16 hour days – they just roll their eyes at you, as I’m sure most of you who are reading this will also do. Go ahead, reply with some remark that’s meant to put me in my place or make yourself feel smug. I welcome your attitude. It just strengthens mine.

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The only thing vacuous is you and all the morons populating the “Occupy” movement.

Tony, it is a shame you are such a victim of the liberal media and the global conspiratists. Occupy Wall Street is nothing more then the dregs of society and the shallow uneducated trying to blame Wall Street and the Banks for the Housing Collapse, when in fact legislation from Barney (Slob) Frank and Chris Dodd forced the banks into giving loans to people that did not qualify.

Not to mention, the worst President in history who continues in trying to Tax and Spend our economy into the ground. Go back to your entitlement mentality and be the drain on society that you obviously are.

Oh, and I hope you are strenghtened by my comments, so that you will continue in spewing forth the stench and bile you are so firmly committed to as I’m sure the people you do this to, will realize your lack of knowledge and vote for the alternative party – the conservatives who embrace this country, it’s people, and the Constitution which makes this country the greatest in the world. 

We “Occupy Anything” people do so bc they have no life, nothing more nothing less. Losers

Why do you need someone to put you in your place when you just did. You are of the fashion industry and OWS at the same time. You put the first group down very well and showed your OWS self to be the hypocrite as OWS protesters are. Good job of showing us how hypocritical both groups are.

I’m not part of the fashion industry, I just occasionally take jobs that involve that sordid world. There is no hypocrisy in what I said or what I stand for. You gotta eat and pay rent, so sometimes you have work with the lowlife scumbags of the fashion world.

Thanks for that, considering you know nothing about me.

Again, you know nothing about me. I have three degrees, work my ass off and pay a lot of tax. I have never been on any kind of government benefit. I am not even American. I am an Australian on a working visa who has no affiliation with any party. I have as many problems with the Democrats as I do with the Republicans. They are two sides of the same coin. The problems that you are clearly ignoring run much deeper than that.

Let me guess your response: “Go back to your own country scumbag!”

Who gives a crap?  If you don’t like them don’t pay any attention to them! This is still a free country last time I checked, the elections have not been held and the president has not won a second term…  So these people are still free to be as F’d up as they want to be…  that is what is still great about America…  

Besides the fashion industry really just serves Wall Street and Hollywood’s vanity anyway… so if what you say is true then they are not so unlike the people that they serve.  

Why do you think that you have any right whatsoever to disrupt their show?  WhoTF are you, what makes what is theirs yours?  

Pansy Assed I can’t make it on my own Occupy Movement supporting maybe I will get lucky tonight so make someone buy my gf’s birthcontrol and in case I go back to school make those dirty bastards pay for my college leech.  

I’m tempted to write something inflammatory about critics of the occupy
wall street crowd-like “kill ‘em all!” But what’s the point? No one
listens. Rather than being engaged and involved in your country you
would rather continue being ass fucked by the wealthiest one percent, so
go ahead vote GOP, vote against your interests-if that is what you want
fine AMERICA! Continue to pay higher taxes than the wealthy who have
inherited their cash and contributed NOTHING to the economy, but selling
AMERICAN jobs to children in developing countries. What do I care? I’m
on an Army pension now and don’t pay taxes anyway. I’m too damn broke
and old to do anything, but bitch about it online anyway.

The worst thing to happen to the democrats was this Peace-nick bullshit!
Stop protesting and start fighting! Go watch a film on how the Unions
formed in the thirties-these men didn’t lay down and beg for fair wages
they picked up a club and cracked heads. Grab a baseball bat go down to
Wall Street and and start cracking these cock suckers in their heads!

Funny-you had an argument that made sense and the only thing readers could do to comment on it, was make a less than amusing insult.

Honestly I would be happy to read an argument that is opposed to yours, but no one has composed any-other than “screw those radicals!”

lastly, I am serious, I would love to hear an opposing argument that isn’t isn’t filled with badly spelled expletives.

In trying times like these I ask myself: WWDVD=What Would Darth Vader DO?

You have a serious passive-aggressive personality.  In your very first comment, you state your position and then preemptively  attack anyone who might DARE disagree with you.  

Typical Liberal Crap from a disgruntled old entitlement bastard blaming everyone else for his personal failures.
“The wealthy who have inherited their cash and contributed NOTHING to the economy” !?!?!
You are a jealous moron ! The wealthy contribute everything to this economy !
The so called 1% pay the majority of the taxes in this country.
They create the capital which creates the business, providing jobs ! Not all wealth is inherited and there is not a limited supply of money that is hoarded by the so called wealthy.
The Money Supply is increased through loans and the expansion of business. Jobs going overseas is directly related to competition and the inability of companies to compete without doing so, due to the impervious nature of unions and the stranglehold being placed on this economy.

Pitiful!

Are you upset with the wealth of Polosi? are you enraged at the scourn shown by George Soros. Are you protesting outside the homes of the Hollywood wealthy and elite? Yeah, That’s what I thought.

Woudn’t it be far better to do something else with your life than have to cavort with the lowlifes. Isn’t that what the OWS amoebas are asking the wall street people to do. Do something else? Maybe make a film about sweat factories, but then again you may not get much financial backing from the Hollywood elite.

Wow – the arrogance of you. How about respect for your elders? How about respect for someone who served in your country’s military? What makes you so high and mighty? What have you ever done for your country that you think you are entitled to call a retired vet “a disgruntled old entitlement bastard”? 

Obviously you get most of your information from Fox News. If you did any actual research of your own you’d find out that: the top 1% pay around 20% of all taxes – state and federal. Jobs aren’t going overseas because of unions. American companies move manufacturing overseas because in China and India you can pay a factory worker less than a dollar an day. The minimum wage in this country is disgraceful – the lowest in the western world. You have no free healthcare, no free education. How is the working class meant to survive and prosper and create the consumption that will drive the economy?In Australia, the minimum wage is $16 an hour, every industry is unionized (but you not forced to join), we have free healthcare, free education (the government actually pays you to go to college), full and unlimited social security (including unemployment) and a retirement scheme that ensures that most workers will retire with a million dollars in their accounts. With these hard-fought-for conditions in place, our economy is thriving. Why can’t America do the same thing? Because assholes like you would call it socialism.

Thank you sir. I appreciate that.

You make a great point. I am making my own film projects, but to fund them I need to work on television commercials (hence the occasional fashion world job) to pay for them. One day, I won’t have to!

Actually, yes we are. We began Occupy 90210 earlier this week when Obama was raising funds at a $35,000 a plate dinner. We are specifically targeting the Democrats and their supporters in Beverly Hills and we are very aware that the Soros-funded MoveOn is trying to influence Occupy LA and so far we have kept them at bay. 

Last week we held a rally outside the office of California Attorney General Kamala Harris (a very liberal non-white Democrat) to protest the underfunded foreclosure deal that the Whitehouse is trying to get all the states to sign on to (because it involves $25Bn when the actual amount needed is from the banks is $700Bn). Several of us were arrested and are facing jail and/or probation. 

Every single day we help out homeowners who are underwater and about to be foreclosed on. We stopped two foreclosures this week alone. And much, much more. Good enough for you?

Still think we’re no-good scumbags? This is a report on the veteran’s home we saved on Valentine’s Day:
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Occupy-Protesters-Help-Vet-Save-Home-139327183.html

Read back through the comments. I’m just defending myself and the movement.

well said !

FYI…

I do respect any individual that has served his/her country, whether or not I agree with their opinions, however, that does not mean they don’t need to be confronted, especially when they suggest using violence to achieve their goals.

I actually do have a problem with companies laying off workers and farming out jobs overseas, and it is probably a combination of both the unfortunate slave labor and inability to compete due to unions, however, the major firms that do farm out the jobs, have a responsibility in due diligence to not allow for this to occur !

And, you probably get all CNN, the so called News agency that spins everything. Anytime a conservative congressmen does something thay get a chance to spin, they will ! Meanwhile a liberal congressmen does the same thing and it isn’t even covered.

Later…

I don’t condone it but I will do it anyway when it is to my benefit. Seems like a hypocritical action to me. How many degrees did you say you have? You should understand the meaning of hypocrisy by now shouldn’t you? Anyone working in the industry can say the same thing about putting food on the table but you stand in judgment of them while you do the same.

Wow, very interesting how great Australia is yet you live here and admit you had it hard enough to pay rent and put food on the table that you were forced to work for this same industry you judge. Why didn’t you return to Australia and partake of the benefits instead of comprimising your values and working for the fashion industry? 

I’ve worked on hundreds of projects. Three of them were in fashion – the last one was 4 years ago and I decided then that I would rather starve than do that again. Regarding Australia and the USA: I stay here because I love America and still hold hope for it’s future, but I do intend to move back home before too long. My point is that Australia and the US are incredibly similar and the measures that were put in place back home during the 80′s and 90′s could also be put in place here with the right political and social will. Unfortunately, the climate is so antagonistic in Washington that those kinds of changes are extremely difficult.

Firstly, I apologize for calling you a bad word. That was uncalled for.

Secondly, I don’t watch television. Period. It’s all poisonous. I get most of my information from internet sources and NPR.

CNN is a front for the Democrats. Fox News should be renamed GOP News. Fox is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who used to be an Australian until he gave up his Australian citizenship to buy up American media. He is largely despised back home, particularly for his role in instigating the Iraq War.

Haha – you are awesome Mr Awesome!

I replied to your post below, but to summarize, the work I’ve done in the fashion business is less than 1% of the projects I’ve worked on. Most people in fashion are there because they love it, which I personally just find sad. Regarding the degrees, I have three – one in political science, one in film and a Masters in drama directing.

The Democrats have nothing to do with Occupy. It is a true grass-roots movement. We are fighting the Democrats and their policies as much as the republicans. they are as bad as each other.

I agree that the image of OWS is tainted by the kinds of individuals who undertook the above action, but hey what can you do. There is no central control mechanism with OWS so people will look however they want and do whatever they want to, but many of us are very reasonable human beings.

Yet you still don’t understand the term hypocrisy. It is not about how often you worked for the industry but your defense of why you did. You could have said that in the past you worked for that industry and found it offensive and now you will never work for them again but you didn’t until I pointed out your hypocrisy. What you stated is that when you needed to benefit from that industry you had no problem with doing so.

Where? The Goodwill store?

 Have you any idea what OWS means then? If it means everything, it means nothing. If no one in the “movement” is responsible for the actions of these folks then how can their actions have any meaning or importance at all? Do you understand what I am asking you? Do you have any idea what you are saying when you say, the “image” of OWS? Unless you have a reasonable response, I submit it means absolutely nothing. Has any of this occurred to you before now? Work in a soup kitchen, help a senior citizen, be a Big Brother. All that is worthwhile. This is a total waste of good youthful energy.

Enjoy your day.

Tony, you say it perfectly.  The ignorant people that put you down for telling the truth should work in a third world sweat shop for a day, or better yet, a year. 

You can see why Amerika is failing, greed and selfishness. 

Democrats have nothing to do with it ??
Do I need to list the politicians and limousine lib hollywooders who rally behind them ??

We Know Plenty About You !!  We Read Your Comments !!

Cop Out !! You don’t HAVE to work with anyone you don’t want to.

A Mini-Michael Moore !!  Oh Noes !!

Must not be worth a crap at film-making with 3 degrees and still having to work with people you find deplorable.  I only have 1 degree and I’m good enough at what I do that I can pick and choose clients.  Tee hee.

Thriving economy ?  Apparently not for you since you’re working here.  Guess there’s not much call for a wannabe Michael Moore in Aussie ??

Stupid entitled old man, probably just pissed that he lost his legs or arms or friends. Probably just mad because he cant sleep at night because of the night terrors, he probably has horrible terrifying reactions to loud noises-that’s his problem…What a looser standing up and serving his country for the likes of us: YOU REALLY TOLD HIM way to go!

Thanks for representing the GOP, you did a wonderful job! Apparently compassion is just a buzz word in your communitty.

“Visit the Navy Yard, and behold a marine, such a man as an American government can make, or such as it can make a man with its black arts — a mere shadow and reminiscence of humanity, a man laid out alive and standing, and already, as one may say, buried under arms with funeral accompaniments, though it may be ’Not a drum was heard, not a funeral note,  As his corse to the rampart we hurried;  Not a soldier discharged his farewell shot  O’er the grave where our hero we buried.’ The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs.”

Henry David Thorough

I found myself rereading “Civil Disobedience” BY Thorough, and “A letter from the Birmingham Jail” By Martin Luther King Jr. I was looking for inspiration as to how to reply. I wanted to express in some meaningful way, how important it is to protest an unjust policy or law, and to show that Americans were having the same conversation we are having now, in 1963, and in 1846-with regards to civil disobedience.

I am biased, because I believe Protesters should be willing to go to jail for their beliefs and they should be willing to violate unjust laws or policies. And if you remember early in the war for independence there was this thing called the Boston Tea Party-which was anything but peaceful.

Taxation Without Representation was why they fought the Revolutionary War, at least that is what we learned in school.

NOW, I see representatives passing policies that benefit wealthy corporations, I see the 1% paying lower tax rates than the ever shrinking middle class, and I see a rising unemployment rate and wonder where is the outrage?

And how can the people who are antagonizing YOU, possibly be against the Occupy Wall Street Movement? I doubt very much anybody here qualifies as a member of the ONE PERCENT, that would make them BILLIONAIRES several times over, so why would they be so adamantly, and violently opposed to the OWS movement?

All we want is a fair chance to participate in a free market! We feel that the market now is controlled by corporate interests through tax policies that hurt working people.

In other words the incentive to work is here, but we are expected to bear the brunt of a bad economy, high taxes, and at the same time they blantantly call Unemployment Insurance, Social Security, Veterans benefits, Medicare and other social programs Welfare and claim Entitlements kill incentive to work-all the while taking massive subsidies in the BILLIONS of dollars! Martin Luther King Jr made this point a lot more eloquently than I, when he coined the phrase “welfare for the rich”-at some speach somewhere that I cant find right now.

I am not trying to piss any conservatives off, but how can you-so blatantly argue against your own best self interest?

Don’t you want MORE MONEY on pay day? Because that is essentially what we are fighting for! Lower taxes for working people, higher taxes for wealthy people, that is essentially the reason we protested in BOSTON before they kicked us out.

Veterans For Peace was there, me and a bunch of grunts were going toe to toe with the police.

Was the 60something year-old Vietnam Veteran Gunnery sergeant who walked the line and called the cadences for us a socialist? I seriously doubt it.

Thank you for that sir. You make so many great points.

I think one major problem is that Occupy has a bad public image. This guy in this article doesn’t help, so I do understand the negative reaction. The perception that much of the public have of the movement is of a bunch of unemployed hippies sitting around in a park smoking weed or black bloc anarchists running riot in Oakland. 

Neither of those is representative of the energetic and disciplined people working behind the scenes to try and help enact substantive change. It has nothing to do with battling the police or anything violent. It’s more about how do we make the system fairer for everyone.

In my opinion, it was a good thing when the actual occupations ended (I never camped by the way, I just went down for meetings). After they ended, only those who were really committed remained – people who cared about the real issues that effect every working man and woman in this country. 

Issues like:

The fact that corporations are considered people.
 
That since the repeal of Glass-Steagal in 1998, certain banks and bankers used fraud as a business model and sytematically eroded the American financial system to the point we went into recession in 2008.

That those same fraudulent business practices eroded the property market and we now face forclosures in massive proportions.

That taxation laws favor the ultra-rich while the rest of us are denied a universal medical system that is the norm in comparative societies.

That money is allowed to flow into political campaigns to the point that democracy itself is distorted.

The list goes on…

The reasons we would try and fight for these issues is obvious – it’s the right thing to do. There is no agenda. There’s is no-one funding or backing the movement. It is just good, committed people working day and night for what they believe is just. 

The focus now is on changing laws and introducing constitutional amendments that will help solve the problems above. Combined with actions like helping people stay in their houses while negotiating with the banks and lawmakers on their behalf.

How can you be against that? We are fighting for you. Perhaps one day you will see that. This is not about Democrat or Republican, right or left. It is about an open dialogue where everyone gets to contribute and have a say. 

Thanks for listening!

Perhaps it is just the animosity of the internet and what these folks are writing is just for shock. Maybe they don’t want to read and it is easier to just let others do the work for them.

how can people vote against their own best self interests?

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