“So — is Occupy Wall Street a revolution? Or an exercise in futility?”
The commentor who mentioned the champagne toast was a joke was the first coverage I heard about it since it was purportedly supposed to happen, it only took me 25 minutes to find.

Also, it was the first time I had ever heard of Mogulite. If futile, I’d suggest its a futility which might be working for you. If you care to cover the story.  

Good luck to those marchers today. Hopefully you’ll be there as of 15 minutes ago, covering it? 

I live in downtown NYC. I have been hearing and seeing marchers and have been unable to find any media coverage on my usual news sources. Helicopters, sirens, police vehicles, stopped traffic. And “What’s Happening in my neighborhood” on my supposed local news station and website is weather and traffic and arts festivals.  Finally learned that what I’m seeing is part of the Wall Street take over protest. It looks, sounds and feels REAL to me. This lack of coverage has made me a news revolutionary.  NO MORE NY TIMES. NO MORE NY 1. NO MORE MASS MEDIA. Pulp, all

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it is a wonder how the NYT journalist does not realize that all said are the issues in the US and that every single movement (and I’ve been part of a successful one in Serbia and recently in Madison WI, which I hope will result in recall of Scott Walker) starts as a very diverse group of unsatisfied people… this group of young people needs to attract middle aged people as Madison protest did… once they reach 100.000 the picture will significantly change…   

There may be numerous items that they and I even as old as 70 can agree with but the necessity of organization is required or those you wish to have hear you won’t.  Can you move around GREED, Education for all and health for all as three major topics and illustrate in posters and Youtube presentations what you think is needed by society and/or Congress.  Obama can’t do anything if Congress has mud feet just for the hell of it.  CNN presented you as “Know Nothings” last Friday also and that is no more true than what the NY Times has said.  MSM has problems understanding anything under $80,000 life style.You must show them there and through other advertising through the TV if possible  what you are talking about and that there are reasons for why you are upset and methods to change or improve things.  Many you need to get to do  not have iphones and/or computers that they go to daily.  Most of them are over 35 and they are also the ones that will vote come November 2012.  My relatives have computers and one sells Intel chips but neither have much interest of getting information from the computer.  They get it from TV and major newspapers.  Many of my Midwest cousins are similar.  These are only examples tens of thousands throughout the country that you need to get to and MSM won’t do it without you pushing it in their faces with organized ideas as was done in Wisconsin.  Tea Party gets their time in the news because they are different in perspective–right or wrong.  You mush show that also.

We must start somewhere.  It is arrogant for the the experienced to expect a Ph.D.-level protest, when the victims of this society have been denied a proper education (I mean philosophy, exposure to alternate systems, etc.).  One does not have to be a medical doctor to know that something is wrong with her/his health, and it is the same here.  Yes, it is corporatism and the very ethos underpinning it that is wrong, and a real civilized alternative, such as democratic socialism/cooperativism is a very good option.  However, when people have been steeped in McCarthyism and the “news” from corporatist media and have few cross currents of ideas, what can one expect?  That is changing – a large part to the boundless internet, and as people come out of their cages, they will realize the present regime is not the way it has to be.  It may be no Tahrir Square – YET!  Tomorrow is coming, and the ultrareactionaries will be trembling for a reason.  1789 is upon us.

they’re getting more support and coverge now more than they would have if wall street had just let them do their thing

That is definitely strange that they aren’t covered in the news at all, what’s up with that?

Grow up. This is not free advertizing space.

The media is playing the role of the black maids in “The Help” minus their courage. Their “mistresses” are the banks and corporations. The media are just standing on the edge of the banquet room as the bankers and corporations tell them what to serve up.  Or, if you want to compare to another book/movie “Sarah’s Key”, the media has chosen the role of  those that turned away at the time of the Vel’ d’Hiv Roundup. Funny how the NY Times reviewed both books positively but apparently do not see the connection.

Mary Sweeney is exactly right.  This type of cheap spamming is part of what the Wall Street demonstrations are all about – commercialism.  Your post is part of the problem, not the solution.

Lol, sure, since socialism has failed in every place it has been tried.  But you are right that many are ignorant, although many went to great colleges.  The problem is that those colleges teach all about the wonders of things like democratic socialism, but not a lot about reality and basic economics  The organizers, however, are professional activists, like Lisa Fithian and Vlad Teichberg, who have tried this in many other countries before this “spontaneous movement” arose.  

“People will come out of their cages”?  Lol, pedantic to the last, eh? You support them while at the same time calling them ignorant and unable to ennunicate their points.  I suggest you spend some more time learning about reality and the failure you and other organizers push.  

You’re right this is no Tahrir Square.  Because people in this system that you would like to bash have boundless freedom, even the freedom to sit around in a park and disturb the neighbors and consume millions of tax dollars.  You have the gall to compare this whine to the Egyptians in the square?  And let’s ask what is happening in Tahrir Square now? Do you know?  Or after you agitated for it, don’t you care what resulted?  Coptic Christians are being shot in the streets.  ”Arab Spring” my ass.

When you push for revolution, but have no idea how to deal with what comes next, you get chaos.  And that is what is happening everywhere your “1789″ crew is working.

Let’s not forget the three deaths you are responsible for in Greece, when the mobs unleashed by the organizers attacked and burnt a bank last year, trapping three people inside, suffocating them to death. Wow, a blow against the evil capitalists.

1789, in case people missed it, is Jeremy Horne, PhD’s call for a revolution, a la the French Revolution.  

It’s not happening, buddy.

In your reactionary screed you failed to mention that one of my main critiques is the anarchy in all this. I cannot think of any case where anarchy has solved anything, and, yes, I am aware of the many types of anarchy. The failure to have a platform and organization to supplant Mubarak is the reason you see what is happening today. I repeatedly have said that there must be a programme, education, organization, discipline, as well as action.  Of course, many processes are not linear but take shape as they develop.  I cll for democratic socialism, but I suspect that you haven’t read much of the literature, or else you wouldn’t be spouting so much red scare propaganda to the delight of the Koch Brothers and other corporatists.  Of course you’d never criticize socialist for the rich, would you, or the military, the members of which are IN a socialist institution, where they are wet nursed from cradle to gave.  but, I suspect you’d never criticize that.

As to the “boundless freedom”, as how much “freedom” (which you have no idea about freedom and liberty), people have without a job and being broke, the lack of health care, and inability to relocate to even look for work.  The fact is, if you come out your reactionary cocoon that there ARE no jobs.  Instead, we have the financial elites that have ripped off the government, workers, and are continuing to gut any resources that are left.  Your freedom is hollow; it is empty; it is an ideological catch word to justify corporatism.  Freedom IS anarchy.  Liberty, of which John Locke wrote so eloquently about does allow more of that freedom about which you rave on about so inanely.  Read the Second Treatise of Civil Government.

As to the violence you say has been perpetrated by the demonstrators, not to justify it, but you’d better look at the violence unleashed by imperialist wars, the torture chambers of Abu Ghraib, and the innocent people hit by Predator drones.

You say that I have no idea of how to deal with what follows.  This is predicated upon people having that plan, etc., as mentioned above.  Socialism  has not necessarily failed but has been attacked by reactionaries who will not permit it to work.